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Former Defense Secretary James Norman Mattis Breaks His Silence | Deadline | MSNBC

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. .>>>YOU ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR>>>YOU ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. WE’VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS. WE’VE GOT SOME PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT. YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT. WE’VE GOT PROBLEMS THAT WE DON’T WE’VE GOT PROBLEMS THAT WE DON’T HAVE IN THE MILITARY. HAVE IN THE MILITARY. YOU JUST HOLD THE LINE UNTIL OUR YOU JUST HOLD THE LINE UNTIL OUR COUNTRY GETS BACK TO COUNTRY GETS BACK TO UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING EACH OTHER AND SHOWING IT AND EACH OTHER AND SHOWING IT AND BEING FRIENDLY TO ONE ANOTHER. BEING FRIENDLY TO ONE ANOTHER. WE ARE SO DOGGONE LUCKY TO BE WE ARE SO DOGGONE LUCKY TO BE AMERICANS. AMERICANS.>>THAT VIDEO NEVER DOESN’T MAKE>>THAT VIDEO NEVER DOESN’T MAKE ME CRY. ME CRY. HOLD THE LINE UNTIL OUR COUNTRY HOLD THE LINE UNTIL OUR COUNTRY GETS BACK TO UNDERSTANDING AND GETS BACK TO UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING EACH OTHER WAS THE RESPECTING EACH OTHER WAS THE MESSAGE DELIVERED BY MESSAGE DELIVERED BY THEN-DEFENSE SECRETARY JIM THEN-DEFENSE SECRETARY JIM MATTIS DURING HIS TENURE AS MATTIS DURING HIS TENURE AS DONALD TRUMP’S SECRETARY OF DONALD TRUMP’S SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. DEFENSE. HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, NOW HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, NOW FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE IS FORMER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE IS ECHOING THAT SAME SPIRIT, AN ECHOING THAT SAME SPIRIT, AN EXCERPT FROM HIS UPCOMING BOOK EXCERPT FROM HIS UPCOMING BOOK PUBLISHED AS AN ESSAY IN THE PUBLISHED AS AN ESSAY IN THE “WALL STREET JOURNAL.” “WALL STREET JOURNAL.” YOU DON’T NEED TO BE AN EXPERT YOU DON’T NEED TO BE AN EXPERT IN READING BETWEEN THE LINES TO IN READING BETWEEN THE LINES TO PICK UP EXACTLY WHAT HE’S PICK UP EXACTLY WHAT HE’S SAYING. SAYING. FOR INSTANCE IN TALKING ABOUT FOR INSTANCE IN TALKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND A NEED FOR ALLIES LEADERSHIP AND A NEED FOR ALLIES HE WRITES THIS, QUOTE, A WISE HE WRITES THIS, QUOTE, A WISE LEADER MUST DEAL WITH REALITY LEADER MUST DEAL WITH REALITY AND STATE WHAT HE INTENDS AND AND STATE WHAT HE INTENDS AND WHAT LEVEL OF COMMITMENT HE’S WHAT LEVEL OF COMMITMENT HE’S WILLING TO INVEST IN ACHIEVING WILLING TO INVEST IN ACHIEVING THAT END. THAT END. HE THEN HAS TO TRUST THAT HIS HE THEN HAS TO TRUST THAT HIS SUBORDINATES KNOW HOW TO CARRY SUBORDINATES KNOW HOW TO CARRY THAT OUT. THAT OUT. WISE LEADERSHIP REQUIRES WISE LEADERSHIP REQUIRES COLLABORATION, OTHERWISE IT WILL COLLABORATION, OTHERWISE IT WILL LEAD TO FAILURE. LEAD TO FAILURE. NATIONS WITH ALLIES THRIVE. NATIONS WITH ALLIES THRIVE. THOSE WITHOUT THEM WITHER. THOSE WITHOUT THEM WITHER. ALONE, AMERICA CANNOT PROTECT ALONE, AMERICA CANNOT PROTECT AND OUR ECONOMY. AND OUR ECONOMY. AT THIS TIME WE CAN SEE STORM AT THIS TIME WE CAN SEE STORM CLOUDS GATHERING. CLOUDS GATHERING. I THINK MATTIS — WAS THAT IF I THINK MATTIS — WAS THAT IF YOU USE A WORD THAT HAS TO BE YOU USE A WORD THAT HAS TO BE GOOGLED. GOOGLED. BUT IF WE TAKE THAT STATEMENT BUT IF WE TAKE THAT STATEMENT ALONG WITH HIS RESIGNATION ALONG WITH HIS RESIGNATION LETTER. LETTER. I AM TOLD THAT HE BELIEVED MANY I AM TOLD THAT HE BELIEVED MANY AMERICAN SOLDIERS WOULD’VE DIED AMERICAN SOLDIERS WOULD’VE DIED IF THAT WITHDRAWAL HAD GONE DOWN IF THAT WITHDRAWAL HAD GONE DOWN THE WAY TRUMP WANTED TO. THE WAY TRUMP WANTED TO. YOU HAVE TO ME PERHAPS THE MOST YOU HAVE TO ME PERHAPS THE MOST SUBTLE BUT THE MOST STINGING SUBTLE BUT THE MOST STINGING REBUKE OF DONALD TRUMP. REBUKE OF DONALD TRUMP.>>ABSOLUTELY FROM A MAN WHO IS>>ABSOLUTELY FROM A MAN WHO IS PROBABLY THE MOST RESPECTED PROBABLY THE MOST RESPECTED MILITARY MAN IN THE COUNTRY MILITARY MAN IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW AND HAS BEEN FOR A RIGHT NOW AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE. WHILE. GENERAL MATTIS WAS A VERY GENERAL MATTIS WAS A VERY SERIOUS MAN. SERIOUS MAN. AND HE DID STAY AS LONG AS HE AND HE DID STAY AS LONG AS HE COULD. COULD. YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS DEFENSE YOU KNOW, WHEN HE WAS DEFENSE SECRETARY, HE AND REX TOLLISON SECRETARY, HE AND REX TOLLISON WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, THEY WAS SECRETARY OF STATE, THEY WOULD SORT OF MEET AND TALK WOULD SORT OF MEET AND TALK EVERY MORNING TO SORT OF CONCOCT EVERY MORNING TO SORT OF CONCOCT A STRATEGY FOR DEALING WITH A STRATEGY FOR DEALING WITH WHATEVER INSANITY THEY WERE WHATEVER INSANITY THEY WERE GOING TO ENCOUNTER WHEN THEY GOT GOING TO ENCOUNTER WHEN THEY GOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. TO THE WHITE HOUSE. AND SO LET’S HAVE A JOINT FRONT, AND SO LET’S HAVE A JOINT FRONT, SEE IF WE CAN KEEP THE TRAIN ON SEE IF WE CAN KEEP THE TRAIN ON THE RAILS, AND OF COURSE, THE RAILS, AND OF COURSE, THEY’RE BOTH GONE AND ANYBODY THEY’RE BOTH GONE AND ANYBODY WHO HAS THAT CAPACITY IS GONE WHO HAS THAT CAPACITY IS GONE NOW. NOW. AND THE RESULT IS WHAT WE SAW. AND THE RESULT IS WHAT WE SAW. WE SAW IT AT THE G7, WHICH WAS WE SAW IT AT THE G7, WHICH WAS REALLY THE G6 PLUS DONALD TRUMP. REALLY THE G6 PLUS DONALD TRUMP. AND THAT’S WHAT THE ORGANIZATION AND THAT’S WHAT THE ORGANIZATION WILL BE UNTIL WE GET ANOTHER WILL BE UNTIL WE GET ANOTHER PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT.>>I HATE TO BE A CONTRARIAN.>>I HATE TO BE A CONTRARIAN. I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR GENERAL MATTIS. FOR GENERAL MATTIS. HE IS A GREAT PATRIOT. HE IS A GREAT PATRIOT. THAT ESSAY LEFT ME THOROUGHLY THAT ESSAY LEFT ME THOROUGHLY UNIMPRESSED PROBABLY FOR THE UNIMPRESSED PROBABLY FOR THE WORD YOU USED. WORD YOU USED. IT WAS TOO SUBTLE. IT WAS TOO SUBTLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHY THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS WHY DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT TODAY. DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT TODAY. BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO DECIDED IT’S NOT MY FIGHT TO WHO DECIDED IT’S NOT MY FIGHT TO TAKE HIM ON. TAKE HIM ON. AND I THINK JIM MATTIS HAS AND I THINK JIM MATTIS HAS DECIDED IT’S NOT HIS FIGHT TO DECIDED IT’S NOT HIS FIGHT TO TAKE HIM ON. TAKE HIM ON. I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO KNOWS HOW UNFIT DONALD TRUMP WHO KNOWS HOW UNFIT DONALD TRUMP IS FOR OFFICE HAS THE IS FOR OFFICE HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY SOMETHING RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT. BUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS BUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS HIGHER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE HIGHER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION SERVED IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND REALLY KNOW, REALLY SAW AND REALLY KNOW, REALLY SAW FIRST HAND JUST HOW INFIT HE IS FIRST HAND JUST HOW INFIT HE IS FOR OFFICE. FOR OFFICE. I DON’T THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR I DON’T THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR JIM MATTIS FOB SUBTLE. JIM MATTIS FOB SUBTLE. I THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR HIM I THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR HIM TO TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT TO TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT THIS MAN IS NOT FIT TO BE THIS MAN IS NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. AND I KNOW HE PROBABLY THINKS AND I KNOW HE PROBABLY THINKS THAT’S INAPPROPRIATE FOR HIM AS THAT’S INAPPROPRIATE FOR HIM AS A FORMER MILITARY LEADER. A FORMER MILITARY LEADER. AND I KNOW HE’S BEEN MARSHALLING AND I KNOW HE’S BEEN MARSHALLING HIS CREDIBILITY FOR HIS ENTIRE HIS CREDIBILITY FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE. LIFE. BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO USE IT. BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO USE IT.>>JUST SAY THAT SOMEONE ASKED>>JUST SAY THAT SOMEONE ASKED ME ONCE A WEEK WHY — SAME ME ONCE A WEEK WHY — SAME QUESTION ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. QUESTION ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH. WHERE IS GEORGE W. BUSH? WHERE IS GEORGE W. BUSH? AND I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT AND I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN HIM UP PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEEN HIM UP CLOSE, BUT YOU COULD SAY THE CLOSE, BUT YOU COULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT H.R. McMASTER, SAME THING ABOUT H.R. McMASTER, REX TILLERSON HAS SORT OF TOLD REX TILLERSON HAS SORT OF TOLD HIS STORY. HIS STORY. BUT WHY DO SO MANY OF THEM STAY BUT WHY DO SO MANY OF THEM STAY SILENT AT THIS POINT? SILENT AT THIS POINT?>>I HAVE NO IDEA.>>I HAVE NO IDEA. I THINK A LOT OF THEM WHO THINK I THINK A LOT OF THEM WHO THINK THIS ISN’T MY FIGHT. THIS ISN’T MY FIGHT. OR IT WOULD BE DISLOYAL FOR ME, OR IT WOULD BE DISLOYAL FOR ME, BUT YOUR LOYALTY IS NOT SUPPOSED BUT YOUR LOYALTY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE PRESIDENT. TO BE THE PRESIDENT. IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE THE COUNTRY. IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE THE COUNTRY. THAT’S WHO YOU TAKE THE OATH TO. THAT’S WHO YOU TAKE THE OATH TO.>>JUST LISTENING TO MATTIS JUST>>JUST LISTENING TO MATTIS JUST THERE AND READING HIS ESSAY, IT THERE AND READING HIS ESSAY, IT REMINDED ME OF WHAT REPUBLICANS REMINDED ME OF WHAT REPUBLICANS USED TO TELL ME VERY EARLY ON IN USED TO TELL ME VERY EARLY ON IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WAS THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH WAS DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT, WE’RE DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE — HE’S GOING TO GOING TO HAVE — HE’S GOING TO HAVE SOME GENERALS. HAVE SOME GENERALS. THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME ADULTS IN THE ROOM AND IT’S NOT ADULTS IN THE ROOM AND IT’S NOT GOING TO BAD. GOING TO BAD. THEY ARE GOING TO STOP HIM. THEY ARE GOING TO STOP HIM. AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS AND WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS DONALD TRUMP FIRED ALL OF THE DONALD TRUMP FIRED ALL OF THE ADULTS IN THE ROOM, AND THIS ADULTS IN THE ROOM, AND THIS GOES INTO OUR LAST CONVERSATION. GOES INTO OUR LAST CONVERSATION. I THINK WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS I THINK WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS A BUNCH OF THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS A BUNCH OF YES MEN, YES WOMEN AROUND HIM, YES MEN, YES WOMEN AROUND HIM, AND THEY PLAY INTO THEY LET HIM

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